Ausman

No doubt others will chime in soon as well. For starters, a very quick look shows you have too much going on for initial testing, and a lot is incorrect with conflicting messages for the little minions running around inside the 130. I suggest that you have another look at the help file for Protocol FB, TCP/IP and note the layout and sequencing of the ladder in the examples. I'd also not be using 255 as your ID. Start again with something simple using the above as a guide. Your intent is to simply find what works for comms to the HMI....nothing else. Do an Init & Reset of the PLC after your first download of your new test program, before running it. I would think that Master is going to be the one to use, but you have also said "Eventually I will need to connect 6 V130's to the HMI" which is also potentially a problem as to what is in charge. You'll likely need to only have one plc talking to the panel, and relaying info received from others. As an example of things that won't work, your net 4 has 2 direct conflicts that will always stop the rung getting to the end. You have both an inverted and direct contact reference to the socket 2. So if one is on the other isn't. cheers, Aus.

Try shifting the AI4 connections onto the newly installed AI8 ones, and see what happens. If it turns out the 4s then blow, and the changed around 8s don't, it must be something in that area of the wiring giving rise to conditions that the module doesn't like. I'd also arrange for the failed 8s to go back to the Creators for them to check out the failure(s). This might also point you in the right direction, or discover something more fundamental. cheers, Aus

If you are actually wanting to have records of the process, Joe's method of using a Data Table makes it easy as you can write the Table onto an SD as necessary. Strings are easily read in *.UDTs, and easily shifted out of the plc using SD Card Explorer. Alternatively you can do a direct read of a table using the Connection tab under Data Tables/Data Tables in Visilogic. cheers, Aus

Unless you have both INSTALLED Visilogic using right click/Run as Admin, and then ONCE IT IS INSTALLED AND REBOOTED you have the Compatibility tab's "Run this program as administrator" box ticked, Visilogic sometimes does strange things. Fully uninstall it and try again. cheers, Aus

I agree with Joe that it looks well constructed. Given that you have no other info, and your own knowledge and skills are limited, my suggestion is for you to find a local electrician/mechanical services person/tradesman. Anyone competent will figure these connections out in no time at all when onsite. Using such a person would also be beneficial for you when you have an inevitable maintenance or failure issue, as they would know the machine already through this involvement. I know this is not what you want to hear from the forum, but as you say you lack the skills yourself, then you need to have a good relationship with someone who does, who you can rely on in the future. On the Wismo, in theory you are going to need a new SIM for it. No use leaving the old owner's one in it! Also, it looks like it might be a GSM only version, so you would have to check what is available now and in the future in your area. cheers, Aus

You mean all connected at the same time? Or separately? And some won't work regardless. cheers, Aus

Does the standard micro cable show up in com ports in device manager when plugged in? Tried another cable to ensure it is not a cable issue? I have had many micro cables that lose good pin connections through careful, gentle use. Frustrating! Perhaps I need to start being rough with them! cheers, Aus

Does your ethernet adapter communicate to networks/WAN/www normally if you use it that way instead of wireless? Any error here might point you in the right direction. Perhaps the adapter needs to work with a crossover cable. And in re-reading your post, I'm assuming that the adapter is USB at the laptop side with an ethernet out? This seems different to what you say here: Or were you using the same adapter? cheers, Aus

Simply drag your pic into the area you want it to show in your text. I always do a few spaces either side of the final "drop" location, so that you can adjust things easily if needed. If you just want to attach it, drag it into the lower attach area only. cheers, Aus

Sooooo, following Flex's pointer, I started hunting around Help. And....drum roll....I've discovered the answer! Me, the greatest sayer of "use the help files", now finds the reference to doing just what I want. It is simply under Project and is an area described as "Convert projects". In my case there is a Convert project to V130-33!! Duhh! I am such a dumbo! There is also a convert project to colour. This is a classic case of having used Visilogic for so long and completely missing a really useful bit. I get really annoyed with myself when I discover something that's been there all along but I haven't really noticed. It is almost as if the brain simply glides over the words and doesn't see them! You can all kick me now! 🤣 cheers, Aus

(SOLVED, see my next post) Hi all, I have long put up with this, but wondering why it is not possible to change hardware on a project done on a V120 to a V130. I know they are different beasts, but they are not that different. And to quote the box that comes up telling me I can't do it: "The Hardware Configuration of a project cannot be switched between PLC models comprising color LCDs and models comprising monochrome LCDs or Samba models". Well....unless my tired old eyes have finally gone colour-blind and also a bit loopy, 130s are a monochrome screen and are the same size, 128 x 64. So why does Visi crack the poops on this? Sometimes it would make my life so much easier! Perhaps there is a way around this I haven't considered? I feel sure it is also other hardware related, but it is frustrating given that the message is only relating to the screen. Just for fun, I used one of Joe's mods for someone to show the point in the attached pic. cheers, Aus

Go here: https://unitronicsplc.com/vision-series-vision430/ Find the installation guide for your model under document downloads near the bottom of the page. Read about setting jumpers correctly for inputs and comm ports, and disassembly/assembly involved. Then set ALL the jumpers in your new unit to exactly match those in your failed unit. I'm assuming that you have the program that runs it all, and can download a copy into your new plc. If the above jumper setting procedure doesn't work, one other issue may be that the newer plc might have newer O/S and firmware. Use Visilogic to find old unit's firmware details etc by using Connection/Communication & OS/4th tab from the left (Operating System) and click check when you have the unit hooked in online. Compare this to the new one. If they are different come back to us. cheers, Aus

Yes. With a LAN connection you may need to implement a DDNS system as well, many WAN connections are dynamic address. Most routers these days can be set up to do this automatically using any number of "free" services available. cheers, Aus

Hi Flex, I think that before anything else is suggested, we need to know how the power gets to the site. There are so many variations in how a power company might run a line to the "middle of nowhere", and they all might have an influence on the issue and it's resolution. Ask some questions! cheers, Aus

Click on Support at the top of the page, and submit a ticket. Or send it direct to support@unitronics.com cheers, Aus

John, perhaps these, way left field but who knows. Ensure that SB168 is on on all plcs. I'm assuming that you have gpedit on your puter. If it is W10 1903, open gpedit, Computer Config/Windows Settings/Security Settings/Local Policies/Security Options. Scroll to UAC: Run all Admins in Admin Approval Mode and set it to Disabled. Reboot a must. Alternatively, try running the puter using the hidden Administrator logon and see how it goes. If you don't know how to do this, here is one page that describes methods. https://www.technipages.com/windows-administrator-account-login-screen Ensure you turn it off once not needed. Giving it a good password whilst you have it active is also a good idea anyway. See how these go, I don't think they'll help but anything to "improve" connections within Windoze seems to be the needed answer. cheers, Aus

+ to Joe's comments. If you have a far less complex image, does it still do it? Related to this, what is the original image size? Resize so smaller file size using the likes of XnConvert? Try changing it to a simple logo as a test. cheers, Aus

@Saragani, @Cara Bereck Levy Dear S & C, Wondering why this issue seems to be cropping up again in both Vision and U90 land? I thought it had been changed so that Install as Admin and run as admin were now done automatically. cheers, Aus

I feel sure that everyone has had this happen, but I just needed to have a rant/whinge about this constant real gripe after it happening repeatedly today. You can't help but wonder why they do it? More for the Customer Experience Improvement Program, given that it also records stuff about USB connections? And runs even though you specifically opt out. There is so much involved in CEIP that it is very hard to stop it all, and Msoft seem to constantly change things to get it going again if you have done so. I've mentioned this privately to some, but did you know in amongst all that CEIP does in W10, it also records keystrokes? cheers, Aus 😵

Get a port monitor and do things on the PC to start with, noting interactions that work. Much easier than constantly trying things on the plc. Once you find what works, you're almost home. I think this needs to be looked at closely, too. You simply may not be getting enough signal change and it might have blown itself up due to working too hard? Hence only working for a while. cheers, Aus

Did you install 8.80 using Right click Run as Admin, and also check that Visilogic.exe is Run as Admin as well once installed? Have you looked at the Pinned topic: http://forum.unitronics.com/topic/6069-vision-bricked-issues-and-how-to-resolve-originally-was-v570-57-t20b-j-bricked/ What are you using to communicate with the serial port? If it is a usb adapter, some don't work properly for the entire O/S update. cheers, Aus

Did you install using Right click/Run as Admin, and also check that the U90Ladder.exe, once installed, is set to Run as Admin in Compatibility? If you did not do this, uninstall and start again. cheers, Aus

For what it's worth, I've recently gone to 1903 64 Pro on my main puter and had a devil of a time getting my Shentek 422/485 Isolated converter to work. All the supposed revamped FTDI drivers that should now work would not play correctly. In frustration I ended up finding what I had on my "no updating allowed...go away Micro$oft" earlier W10 1803 tablet, as I knew that worked OK. Found the source file in my records, and on the thoroughly up to date (but now locked down!) system it all loaded fine and works perfectly. It was 2.8.28.0 and I have zipped and attached the whole folder/file for use as needed. It all seems a bit strange that it works ok when it is supposedly way out of date, but it's a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!" So I ain't touching it any more! I guess what I'm really saying is that older drivers are worth trying if hiccouphs persist. cheers, Aus CDM v2.08.28 Certified.7z

Use Revo Uninstaller Portable, let it do an in depth search as well. After that finishes, reboot and check if the "Unitronics U90 Ladder" folder still exists in Program Files (x86), and delete it if it does. Reboot and then install using right click, run as admin. If this doesn't resolve the issue, go through the above uninstall steps again with Revo etc. Once everything is again removed, do a registry clean with the likes of CCleaner, reboot and start again. At all installation attempts, always use right click/run as admin. After a successful install, ensure that the U90Ladder.exe is set to Run as Admin in compatibility settings. cheers, Aus

To do the uninstall, use the portable version of Revo Uninstaller. Reboot before reinstall. You might also want to check out the comments & driver removal program mentioned in this post, but beware it is very powerful. http://forum.unitronics.com/topic/3454-usb-rs232-adapator-erro/?do=findComment&comment=12671 cheers, Aus