MVP 2023 Flex727 Posted July 25, 2012 MVP 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Unfortunately I've made two changes simultaneously and I don't know what is the culprit. I had to replace my laptop - the old one was a Win XP, 32-bit, that was several years old, running Visilogic 8.6.3. My new one is Win7, 64-bit. I'm now running 9.4.0 and editing HMI screens in Visilogic is excruciating. Granted, it certainly wasn't a speed demon before, but every time I click to select or deselect an object on an HMI screen can take several long seconds before I get the cursor back. If I have several objects selected at once it can take 10 or 20 seconds or more just move them one pixel, depending on the complexity of the objects. This new laptop is fully decked out with the second gen Intel Core i5, 8GB Ram, etc. It is FAST with every other piece of software I own. Noticeably faster than the previous laptop, but not with Visilogic. Any suggestions on what is slowing things down? I've got to get this fixed to get my productivity back to where it needs to be. Yes, I have disabled UAC. Another problem is that the operand descriptions in the box in the ladder section are only two lines (the address, e.g. MB50, plus one line of the description). Before, I had three lines total - the address plus two lines of description. Is there a way to control this? It's extremely frustrating to have to hover over every operand to figure out what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Wish I had an anwer for you, but I had suffered with the same problem http://forum.unitronics.com/index.php?/topic/758-visilogic-ide-slow-to-operate/page__hl__slow Never was able to figure it out. I run it in VMware now. There seems to be some issue either with the 64bit, or the quad core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVP 2023 Flex727 Posted July 27, 2012 Author MVP 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Thanks, Damian. I thought I had seen at least one previous post on this, but was unsuccessful in searching for it. Unitronics Technical Support: Is this a known problem? Do you have any suggested solutions, or is this just a conflict with certain computers that is too rare to spend any time on to correct? How about the issue of only 2 lines displayed in the operand description box? Anything I can do about that? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 If you could please send an email to support@unitronics.com we will have our software expert look into the issue. Thanks, Technical Support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVP 2023 Flex727 Posted July 29, 2012 Author MVP 2023 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 Thanks, I'll do that. But how about the simple question about how many lines of text are displayed in the operand description box? My desktop computer runs WinXP and Visilogic 8.6.3 with a screen resolution of 1280x1024 and I get 3 lines in the operand description box. My laptop runs Win7 and Visilogic 9.4.0 with a screen resolution of 1920x1080 and I only get 2 lines. What determines this? This is a very simple basic question that someone at Unitronics should have an instant answer for, at least it would seem to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 Perhaps a screen shot would help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emil Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Hi Flex, Really - if you want to get answers from Unitronics support team, please send mails to support@unitronics.com. This way we will feel responsable and will make our best to answer you in the shortest possible time. Do you mean operand description or Net comments? Damian is right - screenshot will help a lot. Waiting for your mail... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVP 2023 Flex727 Posted July 30, 2012 Author MVP 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 As I said, I'll send an email to support, but here is the screenshot for those interested. The left side was taken from my WinXP desktop PC running Visilogic 8.6.3 with a screen resolution of 1280x1024, the right side is from my laptop running Win7, Visilogic 9.4.0 and a screen resolution of 1920x1080. I think it's clear why this is a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVP 2023 Flex727 Posted July 30, 2012 Author MVP 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 I've been poking around in Windows 7 and found the problem. In the Display settings there is a setting for text size. This, of course, is not new to Win7, but at least on my computer, it defaults to "Medium - 125%" instead of 100%. this had the effect of increasing the font size in Visilogic. I hadn't checked this because I had never changed it and assumed the default would be normal size rather than larger - stupid me. This may also have an impact on the delay times when moving or deselecting HMI elements - I'll check and report back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cara Bereck Levy Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 I've been poking around in Windows 7 and found the problem. In the Display settings there is a setting for text size. This, of course, is not new to Win7, but at least on my computer, it defaults to "Medium - 125%" instead of 100%. this had the effect of increasing the font size in Visilogic. I hadn't checked this because I had never changed it and assumed the default would be normal size rather than larger - stupid me. This may also have an impact on the delay times when moving or deselecting HMI elements - I'll check and report back. It does seem odd that the default on a laptop would be 125%. I would be very interested to know if this affects the delay time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 I have a fresh install of Win 7 and mine defaulted to 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cara Bereck Levy Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 I wonder if WIN7 enters a new default if you adjust settings in other areas--zoom, IE...because they just know what the user wants better than the user Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 I learned my lesson a long time ago with Visilogic and windows settings. The entire first year I used it (under XP), there were many things on the screen that I wasn't seeing that I wasn't even aware that I wasn't seeing. I remember one day I was frustrated because I wanted to know where my pixel location was on the HMI screen and I complained that they needed to add this feature. I was then informed that in fact that feature was already there. Where?!? Well after some investigation and monkeying around it was found that the "Silver" theme I had chosen didn't jive well with Visilogic and literally caused many things not to display (including the little pixel location box). ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! That is another thing they need to be wary of on NG is try to make sure they program things in such a fashion that the windows setting and themes don't interfere with the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cara Bereck Levy Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 >Well after some investigation and monkeying around it was found that the "Silver" theme I had chosen didn't jive well with Visilogic and literally caused many things not to display (including the little pixel location box). ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!< Really? wow--I had never heard that. We have a couple of R&D people who are colorblind and don't use the standard themes, and I don't recall anything like that. I'll pass this one to the appropropriate peoplle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Hi Cara, For a trip down memory lane. Saragani was the one that figured it out. http://www.unitronics.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2529&SearchTerms=silver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVP 2023 Flex727 Posted July 31, 2012 Author MVP 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 I have a fresh install of Win 7 and mine defaulted to 100% Damian, what is your screen resolution? I wonder if, similar to what Cara was mentioning, Win7 decides to default to 125% on computers with higher resolution. I specifically ordered my 15" laptop with 1920x1080 because I wanted more pixels available for Visilogic. I wish I could find one even higher (without going up to 17"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 1920 - 1200 on a 17" screen. Default is 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cara Bereck Levy Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Itai Saragani, aka the Saraguru, is better at figuring stuff out than just about anybody I know...now that I've seen the thread, I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVP 2023 Flex727 Posted August 1, 2012 Author MVP 2023 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 It does seem odd that the default on a laptop would be 125%. I would be very interested to know if this affects the delay time. My laptop is an HP - maybe it's an HP thang. By the way, Cara, I think changing the Windows font setting to 100% from the default 125% seems to have also solved the problem I was seeing with delays during HMI editing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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